Discussion:
[Grml] Using grml to build a stacked Debian Live system
T o n g
2010-07-29 04:21:19 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Regarding the persistence solution, I think I would rather like to have
a solution where the installed packages are not forced to be loaded into
main memory - as I understand that the live-snapshot would do, or ...?
Do grml have some toolchain that will allow me to either add stuff to an
existing squashfs or have the system "union mount" additional squashfs
files?
. . . I want to carry around as few disks
as possible. So I thought if it is possible to splitting the squashfs
image into two images that are merged by unionfs, where the smaller
one contains a basic system that includes all stuff from grml-small
(which may be larger than 50MB, but as small as possible) and have a
cheatcode to load only the small part into ram (and not use the large
part at all). I do not know if this is feasible . . .
but the answer isn't available up until now -- now, you can build
a stacked Debian Live system with the help of aufs + grml
tools.

But why "stacked" you may ask first.

If grml is build on top of grml-medium, which is build on top of
grml-small, then putting all 3 flavor on the same USB would not
cost you more than one CD space, whereas currently it almost need
two.

Another great advantage is that, I never need to remaster my live
system any more just for my own customization -- putting my extra
stuff in is just as simple as putting in several modules. My
live-usb always contains the latest tools/docs of my own, without
going through the live system remastering process. I had about 7
layered modules that I build for slax and I just put them on top
of grml. It works perfectly.

Further, with stacked live system, you can, for the first time,
load grml-small into ram (or grml-medium depending on your ram
size), and leave the rest on USB/CD.

Most importantly, it'll be much faster. Suppose your stacked live
system is layered like the following:

1. All console tools
2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted
3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde)
4. Occasionally used applications (KOffice/Latex)

If you limit your self to only certain tasks (say console-only
hacks), then you only need a limited number of modules to be
loaded; all other modules are not loaded on start up. hence it
will start faster, use less ram, and cause applications to run
faster. Moreover your CD drive will only seek in a small area
(instead of all across the whole CD). You don't even need to load
it to ram if the loaded modules can be completed cached by the
kernel. This significantly improves the speed. On the other hand,
you can enjoy the full fledged desktop applications if you want
to, from the very same CD.

OK, enough "selling". Let's see how it can be achieved using aufs
+ grml tools. I'll use the scenario that grml-full is build on top
of grml-medium, which is build on top of grml-small as the
example.


1. Use aufs to create the stacked framework. The first command
creates necessary directories, and the 2nd creates a stacked aufs
file system, of which /grml/grml-layers/grml-work is the RW
working branch. In this aufs file system, if a file is not
available in grml-full, aufs looks in grml-medium, else in
grml-small.

mkdir -p /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ /grml/grml-layers/{grml-full,grml-medium,grml-small,grml-work}
mount -t aufs -o br=/grml/grml-layers/grml-work=rw:/grml/grml-layers/grml-full:/grml/grml-layers/grml-medium:/grml/grml-layers/grml-small none /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/

2. Use grml-live to build the first layer.

CLASSES='GRMLBASE,GRML_SMALL,RELEASE,AMD64'
ARCH=amd64
grml-live -a $ARCH -c $CLASSES . . .

3. Now the first layer, grml-small, is available under
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/, which is the mount point of the
aufs file system. We need to move the content from RW layer to
the lower /grml/grml-layers/grml-small layer. Note that the final
umount and mount is recommended after the move, because the
inode number may be changed.

aubrsync move /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot /grml/grml-layers/grml-work /grml/grml-layers/grml-small
umount /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/
!mount

4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead, to
install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot system.

grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .

5. Now grml-medium is available under /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/. Again,
we need to move and reflect all modifications from upper to lower
layer. This time is to grml-medium:

aubrsync move /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot /grml/grml-layers/grml-work /grml/grml-layers/grml-medium
umount /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/
!mount

6. Repeat step 4 and 5 to finish grml-full.

7. Create squashfs filesystem

ln -s grml.squashfs /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_small.squashfs
mksquashfs-lzma /grml/grml-layers/grml-medium /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_medium.squashfs -b 256k -lzma
mksquashfs-lzma /grml/grml-layers/grml-full /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_full.squashfs -b 256k -lzma

8. Create stacked squashfs filesystem. I'm using grml-full as an
example. Under /grml_cd/live/, create a file, say
grml-full.module, in which contains:

grml_small.squashfs
grml_medium.squashfs
grml_full.squashfs

8. Make it bootable. I'm using grub as an example. In the kernel
line, use the following. Note the grml-full is the file you just
named without the .module extension.

kernel ... live-media-path=/live module=grml-full

9. Put them on USB and test it. That's it.

Note, the above is for illustration purpose only. Substitute with
your own CLASS or path please.

PS. mika, if you want, please send me the wiki access info to my
bts email address, I can put the above into wiki.

Thanks
Michael Prokop
2010-07-30 04:33:48 UTC
Permalink
* T o n g <mlist4suntong at yahoo.com> [Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 04:21:19AM +0000]:

[...]
Post by T o n g
But why "stacked" you may ask first.
[...]
Post by T o n g
Note, the above is for illustration purpose only. Substitute with
your own CLASS or path please.
Thanks for the detailled instructions, Tong. I had no time to give
it a try yet but it looks like something worth a closer look.
Post by T o n g
PS. mika, if you want, please send me the wiki access info to my
bts email address, I can put the above into wiki.
I've just created

http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=stacked_grml

in the wiki, you can just put in all your stuff
regarding this stacked stuff there. Thanks!

regards,
-mika-
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Ulrich Dangel
2010-07-30 07:44:13 UTC
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* T o n g wrote [29.07.10 06:21]:
Hi,
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead, to
install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.

regards,
Ulrich
T o n g
2010-07-31 03:17:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ulrich Dangel
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead,
to install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot
system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.
OK. Then let's use grml-full / grml-medium / grml-small just as
conceptual names for the following unnamed stacked system:

1. All console tools
2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted
3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde)
4. Occasionally used applications (KOffice/Latex)

of which next layer can be build on top of the previous one. Thanks to
Debian live, if you can boot the smallest system, then you can boot
stacked systems as well.
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/
Ulrich Dangel
2010-07-31 08:54:03 UTC
Permalink
* T o n g wrote [31.07.10 05:17]:
Hi Tong,
Post by T o n g
Post by Ulrich Dangel
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead,
to install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot
system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.
OK. Then let's use grml-full / grml-medium / grml-small just as
Hm? In your howto grml-small is grml-small as it is installed with
grml-live.

IMHO do not reuse the name grml-{full,medium} as it creates wrong
expectations.

What you can try is to use the package list from grml-live for
grml-debootstrap to install all packages from grml-{medium,full}

Ulrich
Ulrich Dangel
2010-07-31 08:54:03 UTC
Permalink
* T o n g wrote [31.07.10 05:17]:
Hi Tong,
Post by T o n g
Post by Ulrich Dangel
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead,
to install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot
system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.
OK. Then let's use grml-full / grml-medium / grml-small just as
Hm? In your howto grml-small is grml-small as it is installed with
grml-live.

IMHO do not reuse the name grml-{full,medium} as it creates wrong
expectations.

What you can try is to use the package list from grml-live for
grml-debootstrap to install all packages from grml-{medium,full}

Ulrich
Ulrich Dangel
2010-07-31 08:54:03 UTC
Permalink
* T o n g wrote [31.07.10 05:17]:
Hi Tong,
Post by T o n g
Post by Ulrich Dangel
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead,
to install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot
system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.
OK. Then let's use grml-full / grml-medium / grml-small just as
Hm? In your howto grml-small is grml-small as it is installed with
grml-live.

IMHO do not reuse the name grml-{full,medium} as it creates wrong
expectations.

What you can try is to use the package list from grml-live for
grml-debootstrap to install all packages from grml-{medium,full}

Ulrich

T o n g
2010-07-31 03:17:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ulrich Dangel
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead,
to install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot
system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.
OK. Then let's use grml-full / grml-medium / grml-small just as
conceptual names for the following unnamed stacked system:

1. All console tools
2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted
3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde)
4. Occasionally used applications (KOffice/Latex)

of which next layer can be build on top of the previous one. Thanks to
Debian live, if you can boot the smallest system, then you can boot
stacked systems as well.
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/
T o n g
2010-07-31 03:17:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ulrich Dangel
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead,
to install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot
system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.
OK. Then let's use grml-full / grml-medium / grml-small just as
conceptual names for the following unnamed stacked system:

1. All console tools
2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted
3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde)
4. Occasionally used applications (KOffice/Latex)

of which next layer can be build on top of the previous one. Thanks to
Debian live, if you can boot the smallest system, then you can boot
stacked systems as well.
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/
T o n g
2010-07-29 04:21:19 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Regarding the persistence solution, I think I would rather like to have
a solution where the installed packages are not forced to be loaded into
main memory - as I understand that the live-snapshot would do, or ...?
Do grml have some toolchain that will allow me to either add stuff to an
existing squashfs or have the system "union mount" additional squashfs
files?
. . . I want to carry around as few disks
as possible. So I thought if it is possible to splitting the squashfs
image into two images that are merged by unionfs, where the smaller
one contains a basic system that includes all stuff from grml-small
(which may be larger than 50MB, but as small as possible) and have a
cheatcode to load only the small part into ram (and not use the large
part at all). I do not know if this is feasible . . .
but the answer isn't available up until now -- now, you can build
a stacked Debian Live system with the help of aufs + grml
tools.

But why "stacked" you may ask first.

If grml is build on top of grml-medium, which is build on top of
grml-small, then putting all 3 flavor on the same USB would not
cost you more than one CD space, whereas currently it almost need
two.

Another great advantage is that, I never need to remaster my live
system any more just for my own customization -- putting my extra
stuff in is just as simple as putting in several modules. My
live-usb always contains the latest tools/docs of my own, without
going through the live system remastering process. I had about 7
layered modules that I build for slax and I just put them on top
of grml. It works perfectly.

Further, with stacked live system, you can, for the first time,
load grml-small into ram (or grml-medium depending on your ram
size), and leave the rest on USB/CD.

Most importantly, it'll be much faster. Suppose your stacked live
system is layered like the following:

1. All console tools
2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted
3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde)
4. Occasionally used applications (KOffice/Latex)

If you limit your self to only certain tasks (say console-only
hacks), then you only need a limited number of modules to be
loaded; all other modules are not loaded on start up. hence it
will start faster, use less ram, and cause applications to run
faster. Moreover your CD drive will only seek in a small area
(instead of all across the whole CD). You don't even need to load
it to ram if the loaded modules can be completed cached by the
kernel. This significantly improves the speed. On the other hand,
you can enjoy the full fledged desktop applications if you want
to, from the very same CD.

OK, enough "selling". Let's see how it can be achieved using aufs
+ grml tools. I'll use the scenario that grml-full is build on top
of grml-medium, which is build on top of grml-small as the
example.


1. Use aufs to create the stacked framework. The first command
creates necessary directories, and the 2nd creates a stacked aufs
file system, of which /grml/grml-layers/grml-work is the RW
working branch. In this aufs file system, if a file is not
available in grml-full, aufs looks in grml-medium, else in
grml-small.

mkdir -p /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ /grml/grml-layers/{grml-full,grml-medium,grml-small,grml-work}
mount -t aufs -o br=/grml/grml-layers/grml-work=rw:/grml/grml-layers/grml-full:/grml/grml-layers/grml-medium:/grml/grml-layers/grml-small none /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/

2. Use grml-live to build the first layer.

CLASSES='GRMLBASE,GRML_SMALL,RELEASE,AMD64'
ARCH=amd64
grml-live -a $ARCH -c $CLASSES . . .

3. Now the first layer, grml-small, is available under
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/, which is the mount point of the
aufs file system. We need to move the content from RW layer to
the lower /grml/grml-layers/grml-small layer. Note that the final
umount and mount is recommended after the move, because the
inode number may be changed.

aubrsync move /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot /grml/grml-layers/grml-work /grml/grml-layers/grml-small
umount /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/
!mount

4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead, to
install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot system.

grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .

5. Now grml-medium is available under /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/. Again,
we need to move and reflect all modifications from upper to lower
layer. This time is to grml-medium:

aubrsync move /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot /grml/grml-layers/grml-work /grml/grml-layers/grml-medium
umount /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/
!mount

6. Repeat step 4 and 5 to finish grml-full.

7. Create squashfs filesystem

ln -s grml.squashfs /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_small.squashfs
mksquashfs-lzma /grml/grml-layers/grml-medium /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_medium.squashfs -b 256k -lzma
mksquashfs-lzma /grml/grml-layers/grml-full /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_full.squashfs -b 256k -lzma

8. Create stacked squashfs filesystem. I'm using grml-full as an
example. Under /grml_cd/live/, create a file, say
grml-full.module, in which contains:

grml_small.squashfs
grml_medium.squashfs
grml_full.squashfs

8. Make it bootable. I'm using grub as an example. In the kernel
line, use the following. Note the grml-full is the file you just
named without the .module extension.

kernel ... live-media-path=/live module=grml-full

9. Put them on USB and test it. That's it.

Note, the above is for illustration purpose only. Substitute with
your own CLASS or path please.

PS. mika, if you want, please send me the wiki access info to my
bts email address, I can put the above into wiki.

Thanks
Michael Prokop
2010-07-30 04:33:48 UTC
Permalink
* T o n g <mlist4suntong at yahoo.com> [Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 04:21:19AM +0000]:

[...]
Post by T o n g
But why "stacked" you may ask first.
[...]
Post by T o n g
Note, the above is for illustration purpose only. Substitute with
your own CLASS or path please.
Thanks for the detailled instructions, Tong. I had no time to give
it a try yet but it looks like something worth a closer look.
Post by T o n g
PS. mika, if you want, please send me the wiki access info to my
bts email address, I can put the above into wiki.
I've just created

http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=stacked_grml

in the wiki, you can just put in all your stuff
regarding this stacked stuff there. Thanks!

regards,
-mika-
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Ulrich Dangel
2010-07-30 07:44:13 UTC
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* T o n g wrote [29.07.10 06:21]:
Hi,
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead, to
install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.

regards,
Ulrich
T o n g
2010-07-29 04:21:19 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Regarding the persistence solution, I think I would rather like to have
a solution where the installed packages are not forced to be loaded into
main memory - as I understand that the live-snapshot would do, or ...?
Do grml have some toolchain that will allow me to either add stuff to an
existing squashfs or have the system "union mount" additional squashfs
files?
. . . I want to carry around as few disks
as possible. So I thought if it is possible to splitting the squashfs
image into two images that are merged by unionfs, where the smaller
one contains a basic system that includes all stuff from grml-small
(which may be larger than 50MB, but as small as possible) and have a
cheatcode to load only the small part into ram (and not use the large
part at all). I do not know if this is feasible . . .
but the answer isn't available up until now -- now, you can build
a stacked Debian Live system with the help of aufs + grml
tools.

But why "stacked" you may ask first.

If grml is build on top of grml-medium, which is build on top of
grml-small, then putting all 3 flavor on the same USB would not
cost you more than one CD space, whereas currently it almost need
two.

Another great advantage is that, I never need to remaster my live
system any more just for my own customization -- putting my extra
stuff in is just as simple as putting in several modules. My
live-usb always contains the latest tools/docs of my own, without
going through the live system remastering process. I had about 7
layered modules that I build for slax and I just put them on top
of grml. It works perfectly.

Further, with stacked live system, you can, for the first time,
load grml-small into ram (or grml-medium depending on your ram
size), and leave the rest on USB/CD.

Most importantly, it'll be much faster. Suppose your stacked live
system is layered like the following:

1. All console tools
2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted
3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde)
4. Occasionally used applications (KOffice/Latex)

If you limit your self to only certain tasks (say console-only
hacks), then you only need a limited number of modules to be
loaded; all other modules are not loaded on start up. hence it
will start faster, use less ram, and cause applications to run
faster. Moreover your CD drive will only seek in a small area
(instead of all across the whole CD). You don't even need to load
it to ram if the loaded modules can be completed cached by the
kernel. This significantly improves the speed. On the other hand,
you can enjoy the full fledged desktop applications if you want
to, from the very same CD.

OK, enough "selling". Let's see how it can be achieved using aufs
+ grml tools. I'll use the scenario that grml-full is build on top
of grml-medium, which is build on top of grml-small as the
example.


1. Use aufs to create the stacked framework. The first command
creates necessary directories, and the 2nd creates a stacked aufs
file system, of which /grml/grml-layers/grml-work is the RW
working branch. In this aufs file system, if a file is not
available in grml-full, aufs looks in grml-medium, else in
grml-small.

mkdir -p /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ /grml/grml-layers/{grml-full,grml-medium,grml-small,grml-work}
mount -t aufs -o br=/grml/grml-layers/grml-work=rw:/grml/grml-layers/grml-full:/grml/grml-layers/grml-medium:/grml/grml-layers/grml-small none /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/

2. Use grml-live to build the first layer.

CLASSES='GRMLBASE,GRML_SMALL,RELEASE,AMD64'
ARCH=amd64
grml-live -a $ARCH -c $CLASSES . . .

3. Now the first layer, grml-small, is available under
/grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/, which is the mount point of the
aufs file system. We need to move the content from RW layer to
the lower /grml/grml-layers/grml-small layer. Note that the final
umount and mount is recommended after the move, because the
inode number may be changed.

aubrsync move /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot /grml/grml-layers/grml-work /grml/grml-layers/grml-small
umount /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/
!mount

4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead, to
install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot system.

grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .

5. Now grml-medium is available under /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/. Again,
we need to move and reflect all modifications from upper to lower
layer. This time is to grml-medium:

aubrsync move /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot /grml/grml-layers/grml-work /grml/grml-layers/grml-medium
umount /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/
!mount

6. Repeat step 4 and 5 to finish grml-full.

7. Create squashfs filesystem

ln -s grml.squashfs /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_small.squashfs
mksquashfs-lzma /grml/grml-layers/grml-medium /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_medium.squashfs -b 256k -lzma
mksquashfs-lzma /grml/grml-layers/grml-full /grml/grml-live/grml_cd/live/grml_full.squashfs -b 256k -lzma

8. Create stacked squashfs filesystem. I'm using grml-full as an
example. Under /grml_cd/live/, create a file, say
grml-full.module, in which contains:

grml_small.squashfs
grml_medium.squashfs
grml_full.squashfs

8. Make it bootable. I'm using grub as an example. In the kernel
line, use the following. Note the grml-full is the file you just
named without the .module extension.

kernel ... live-media-path=/live module=grml-full

9. Put them on USB and test it. That's it.

Note, the above is for illustration purpose only. Substitute with
your own CLASS or path please.

PS. mika, if you want, please send me the wiki access info to my
bts email address, I can put the above into wiki.

Thanks
Michael Prokop
2010-07-30 04:33:48 UTC
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* T o n g <mlist4suntong at yahoo.com> [Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 04:21:19AM +0000]:

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Post by T o n g
But why "stacked" you may ask first.
[...]
Post by T o n g
Note, the above is for illustration purpose only. Substitute with
your own CLASS or path please.
Thanks for the detailled instructions, Tong. I had no time to give
it a try yet but it looks like something worth a closer look.
Post by T o n g
PS. mika, if you want, please send me the wiki access info to my
bts email address, I can put the above into wiki.
I've just created

http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=stacked_grml

in the wiki, you can just put in all your stuff
regarding this stacked stuff there. Thanks!

regards,
-mika-
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Ulrich Dangel
2010-07-30 07:44:13 UTC
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* T o n g wrote [29.07.10 06:21]:
Hi,
Post by T o n g
4. Install the next layer. This time grml-debootstrap is used instead, to
install all grml-medium packages on top of the current chroot system.
grml-debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 --target /grml/grml-live/grml_chroot/ . . .
Just to be sure, grml can not be installed with grml-debootstrap. You
are just installing a normal debian system.

regards,
Ulrich
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