[Grml] new possible solution for blind grml users and x programs

[Doug Smith]

To whom it may concern:
\
I have found something that I think shows some promise for use by all
the people who use speakup and do not wish to go to a graphical user
environment in order just to get on line.

The program is called twin. This stands for text mode windowing
environment. It can be found at http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/

There is a detailed tutorial as well as a sample configuration file
includ?d with the program. However, it makes little sense to me as I
have no experience configuring x displays.

What I am trying to do with this program? is to get it to work in the
following way:

First of all, interact with x programs as it says it will, but with
the result that it will:
bring the output of those programs back to a re?ular tty display
where speakup is active.

However, with all the attaching, detaching, running on x servers,
display numbers and the rest, I am totally lost.

If some person here can help me in configuring this program to work as
a text mode solution to a graphical problem, I will be most greatful.



Thank you in advance.



Doug Smith

[moss]

Doug

Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with

root# aptitude install twin

This will come with some form of default configuration for you.

But I'm confused. If you don't want or need a gui then why do you have
to launch one at all? Can you not stay in a login shell and use screen
for multiple windows? Or, if you use emacs, then you can have very
closely similar environments in any situation. That is emacs in the
login shell, on a linux gui and on Windows XP or Vista behave in a
closely related manner. Are the text browsers lynx, w3m, links or
edbrowse not sufficient for what you are doing. w3m in particular has
emacs integration.

Best Wishes
Moss


On 10/01/2009, Doug Smith wrote:
I have found something that I think shows some promise for use by all
the people who use speakup and do not wish to go to a graphical user
environment in order just to get on line.

The program is called twin. This stands for text mode windowing
environment. It can be found at http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/ etc.

[Michael Prokop]

Post by moss
Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with
root# aptitude install twin

No, as twin was removed from Debian.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446692

regards,
-mika-
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[Maurice McCarthy]

Oops! Thanks for the correction Mika. If it is not
maintained at all then I'd suggest that Twin may
be dubious to use in the long term. It will slowly
lose its relation to the rest of the operating
environment and therefore tend toward malfunction.
The longer it goes on the worse it is likely to
become.

Best Wishes
Moss

Post by Michael Prokop

Post by moss
Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with
root# aptitude install twin

No, as twin was removed from Debian.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446692
regards,
-mika-

[Mgr. Janusz Chmiel]

Dear core developers of GRML,

I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000 series
driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related to ATI RAdeon
9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute Gnome. I installed Gnome
successfully, Gnome even tried to automatically start during boot, but error
messages related to ATI RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome
could not be used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as
apt-get or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is ammazing
tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue data from
corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools are console
based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.

Next question.

Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode, and
can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?

I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD for
text tools user and for system administrators, and that they prepared this
distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers, and that using Gnome
after installing GRML to A hard drive is experimental approach. I think,
that grmlx script is working without errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But
in A specific hardware configurations, user will have to download driver for
his specific device, this is common for all operating systems.

Thank You for Your answers.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz,

For the first question more accurate detail is needed. Do this

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log >xerrors

This will create a new plain text file in the current directory called
xerrors. It contains only those lines on which EE appears when X tried
to load. My system gave this:

Current Operating System: Linux grml 2.6.20-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May
3 20:20:41 CEST 2007 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

Paste that files contents into an email to grml at mur.at

Second question. Do ls -R /usr/share/keymaps | grep cz (Notice -R is a
capital R for recursive not small r for reverse.) This will give you a
list of Czech keymap files. Don't know what you will find on the live CD
but my installed grml 1.0 gave this

cz-lat2.kmap.gz lt.kmap.gz se-fi-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-lat2-prog.kmap.gz lt.l4.kmap.gz se-fi-lat6.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz lv-latin4.kmap.gz se-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwertz.kmap.gz mac-usb-fr_CH-latin1.kmap.gz
sunkeymap.kmap.gz sunt5-cz-us.kmap.gz sunt5-ru.kmap.gz
sunt4-es.kmap.gz sunt5-fi-latin1.kmap.gz sunt5-us-cz.kmap.gz

So if I do loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz
in a terminal then I will have a Czech keyboard.

To do the same for X have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you will
find something like

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Change the uk to cz and restart X and you should then be right. European
keyboards are usually 105 keys rather than 104.

Regards
Moss

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Dear core developers of GRML,
I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000 series
driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related to ATI RAdeon
9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute Gnome. I installed Gnome
successfully, Gnome even tried to automatically start during boot, but error
messages related to ATI RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome
could not be used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as
apt-get or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is ammazing
tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue data from
corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools are console
based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.
Next question.
Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode, and
can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?
I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD for
text tools user and for system administrators, and that they prepared this
distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers, and that using Gnome
after installing GRML to A hard drive is experimental approach. I think,
that grmlx script is working without errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But
in A specific hardware configurations, user will have to download driver for
his specific device, this is common for all operating systems.
Thank You for Your answers.
_______________________________________________
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http://lists.mur.at/mailman/listinfo/grml
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[Maurice McCarthy]

Apologies for the double post. I sent from the wrong email address to
begin with.

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Apologies for the double post. I sent from the wrong email address to
begin with.

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Apologies for the double post. I sent from the wrong email address to
begin with.

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz,

For the first question more accurate detail is needed. Do this

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log >xerrors

This will create a new plain text file in the current directory called
xerrors. It contains only those lines on which EE appears when X tried to
load. My system gave this:

Current Operating System: Linux grml 2.6.20-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3
20:20:41 CEST 2007 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

Paste that files contents into an email to grml at mur.at

Second question. Do ls -R /usr/share/keymaps | grep cz (Notice -R is a
capital R for recursive not small r for reverse.) This will give you a
list of Czech keymap files. Don't know what you will find on the live CD
but my installed grml 1.0 gave this

cz-lat2.kmap.gz lt.kmap.gz se-fi-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-lat2-prog.kmap.gz lt.l4.kmap.gz se-fi-lat6.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz lv-latin4.kmap.gz se-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwertz.kmap.gz mac-usb-fr_CH-latin1.kmap.gz
sunkeymap.kmap.gz sunt5-cz-us.kmap.gz sunt5-ru.kmap.gz
sunt4-es.kmap.gz sunt5-fi-latin1.kmap.gz sunt5-us-cz.kmap.gz

So if I do loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz in
a terminal then I will have a Czech keyboard.

To do the same for X have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you will find
something like

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Change the uk to cz and restart X and you should then be right. European
keyboards are usually 105 keys rather than 104.

Regards
Moss

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Dear core developers of GRML,
I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000

series driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related
to ATI RAdeon 9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute
Gnome. I installed Gnome successfully, Gnome even tried to
automatically start during boot, but error messages related to ATI
RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome could not be
used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as apt-get
or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is
ammazing tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue
data from corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools
are console based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Next question.
Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode,

and can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD

for text tools user and for system administrators, and that they
prepared this distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers,
and that using Gnome after installing GRML to A hard drive is
experimental approach. I think, that grmlx script is working without
errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But in A specific hardware
configurations, user will have to download driver for his specific
device, this is common for all operating systems.

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Thank You for Your answers.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz

If you boot to the console and launch X with

$ grml-x -module vesa

it should work on any graphics card whatsoever. Apparently a lot of people
have had trouble with the ATI 9000 as it sometimes requires proprietary
drivers. But these people are usually looking for 3D effects, for example.
I should think that this is not important to you. If it is then have a
look at

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/finally-got-3d-in-debian-lenny-with-a-radeon-9000-639869/?highlight=ati+radeon+lenny

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz,

For the first question more accurate detail is needed. Do this

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log >xerrors

This will create a new plain text file in the current directory called
xerrors. It contains only those lines on which EE appears when X tried
to load. My system gave this:

Current Operating System: Linux grml 2.6.20-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May
3 20:20:41 CEST 2007 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

Paste that files contents into an email to grml at mur.at

Second question. Do ls -R /usr/share/keymaps | grep cz (Notice -R is a
capital R for recursive not small r for reverse.) This will give you a
list of Czech keymap files. Don't know what you will find on the live CD
but my installed grml 1.0 gave this

cz-lat2.kmap.gz lt.kmap.gz se-fi-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-lat2-prog.kmap.gz lt.l4.kmap.gz se-fi-lat6.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz lv-latin4.kmap.gz se-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwertz.kmap.gz mac-usb-fr_CH-latin1.kmap.gz
sunkeymap.kmap.gz sunt5-cz-us.kmap.gz sunt5-ru.kmap.gz
sunt4-es.kmap.gz sunt5-fi-latin1.kmap.gz sunt5-us-cz.kmap.gz

So if I do loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz
in a terminal then I will have a Czech keyboard.

To do the same for X have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you will
find something like

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Change the uk to cz and restart X and you should then be right. European
keyboards are usually 105 keys rather than 104.

Regards
Moss

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Dear core developers of GRML,
I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000 series
driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related to ATI RAdeon
9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute Gnome. I installed Gnome
successfully, Gnome even tried to automatically start during boot, but error
messages related to ATI RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome
could not be used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as
apt-get or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is ammazing
tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue data from
corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools are console
based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.
Next question.
Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode, and
can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?
I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD for
text tools user and for system administrators, and that they prepared this
distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers, and that using Gnome
after installing GRML to A hard drive is experimental approach. I think,
that grmlx script is working without errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But
in A specific hardware configurations, user will have to download driver for
his specific device, this is common for all operating systems.
Thank You for Your answers.
_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - Grml at mur.at
http://lists.mur.at/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml on irc.freenode.org
grml-devel-blog: http://grml.supersized.org/

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz,

For the first question more accurate detail is needed. Do this

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log >xerrors

This will create a new plain text file in the current directory called
xerrors. It contains only those lines on which EE appears when X tried to
load. My system gave this:

Current Operating System: Linux grml 2.6.20-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3
20:20:41 CEST 2007 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

Paste that files contents into an email to grml at mur.at

Second question. Do ls -R /usr/share/keymaps | grep cz (Notice -R is a
capital R for recursive not small r for reverse.) This will give you a
list of Czech keymap files. Don't know what you will find on the live CD
but my installed grml 1.0 gave this

cz-lat2.kmap.gz lt.kmap.gz se-fi-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-lat2-prog.kmap.gz lt.l4.kmap.gz se-fi-lat6.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz lv-latin4.kmap.gz se-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwertz.kmap.gz mac-usb-fr_CH-latin1.kmap.gz
sunkeymap.kmap.gz sunt5-cz-us.kmap.gz sunt5-ru.kmap.gz
sunt4-es.kmap.gz sunt5-fi-latin1.kmap.gz sunt5-us-cz.kmap.gz

So if I do loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz in
a terminal then I will have a Czech keyboard.

To do the same for X have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you will find
something like

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Change the uk to cz and restart X and you should then be right. European
keyboards are usually 105 keys rather than 104.

Regards
Moss

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Dear core developers of GRML,
I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000

series driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related
to ATI RAdeon 9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute
Gnome. I installed Gnome successfully, Gnome even tried to
automatically start during boot, but error messages related to ATI
RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome could not be
used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as apt-get
or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is
ammazing tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue
data from corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools
are console based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Next question.
Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode,

and can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD

for text tools user and for system administrators, and that they
prepared this distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers,
and that using Gnome after installing GRML to A hard drive is
experimental approach. I think, that grmlx script is working without
errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But in A specific hardware
configurations, user will have to download driver for his specific
device, this is common for all operating systems.

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Thank You for Your answers.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz

If you boot to the console and launch X with

$ grml-x -module vesa

it should work on any graphics card whatsoever. Apparently a lot of people
have had trouble with the ATI 9000 as it sometimes requires proprietary
drivers. But these people are usually looking for 3D effects, for example.
I should think that this is not important to you. If it is then have a
look at

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/finally-got-3d-in-debian-lenny-with-a-radeon-9000-639869/?highlight=ati+radeon+lenny

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz,

For the first question more accurate detail is needed. Do this

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log >xerrors

This will create a new plain text file in the current directory called
xerrors. It contains only those lines on which EE appears when X tried
to load. My system gave this:

Current Operating System: Linux grml 2.6.20-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May
3 20:20:41 CEST 2007 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

Paste that files contents into an email to grml at mur.at

Second question. Do ls -R /usr/share/keymaps | grep cz (Notice -R is a
capital R for recursive not small r for reverse.) This will give you a
list of Czech keymap files. Don't know what you will find on the live CD
but my installed grml 1.0 gave this

cz-lat2.kmap.gz lt.kmap.gz se-fi-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-lat2-prog.kmap.gz lt.l4.kmap.gz se-fi-lat6.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz lv-latin4.kmap.gz se-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwertz.kmap.gz mac-usb-fr_CH-latin1.kmap.gz
sunkeymap.kmap.gz sunt5-cz-us.kmap.gz sunt5-ru.kmap.gz
sunt4-es.kmap.gz sunt5-fi-latin1.kmap.gz sunt5-us-cz.kmap.gz

So if I do loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz
in a terminal then I will have a Czech keyboard.

To do the same for X have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you will
find something like

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Change the uk to cz and restart X and you should then be right. European
keyboards are usually 105 keys rather than 104.

Regards
Moss

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Dear core developers of GRML,
I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000 series
driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related to ATI RAdeon
9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute Gnome. I installed Gnome
successfully, Gnome even tried to automatically start during boot, but error
messages related to ATI RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome
could not be used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as
apt-get or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is ammazing
tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue data from
corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools are console
based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.
Next question.
Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode, and
can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?
I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD for
text tools user and for system administrators, and that they prepared this
distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers, and that using Gnome
after installing GRML to A hard drive is experimental approach. I think,
that grmlx script is working without errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But
in A specific hardware configurations, user will have to download driver for
his specific device, this is common for all operating systems.
Thank You for Your answers.
_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - Grml at mur.at
http://lists.mur.at/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml on irc.freenode.org
grml-devel-blog: http://grml.supersized.org/

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz,

For the first question more accurate detail is needed. Do this

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log >xerrors

This will create a new plain text file in the current directory called
xerrors. It contains only those lines on which EE appears when X tried to
load. My system gave this:

Current Operating System: Linux grml 2.6.20-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3
20:20:41 CEST 2007 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

Paste that files contents into an email to grml at mur.at

Second question. Do ls -R /usr/share/keymaps | grep cz (Notice -R is a
capital R for recursive not small r for reverse.) This will give you a
list of Czech keymap files. Don't know what you will find on the live CD
but my installed grml 1.0 gave this

cz-lat2.kmap.gz lt.kmap.gz se-fi-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-lat2-prog.kmap.gz lt.l4.kmap.gz se-fi-lat6.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz lv-latin4.kmap.gz se-ir209.kmap.gz
cz-us-qwertz.kmap.gz mac-usb-fr_CH-latin1.kmap.gz
sunkeymap.kmap.gz sunt5-cz-us.kmap.gz sunt5-ru.kmap.gz
sunt4-es.kmap.gz sunt5-fi-latin1.kmap.gz sunt5-us-cz.kmap.gz

So if I do loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/cz-us-qwerty.kmap.gz in
a terminal then I will have a Czech keyboard.

To do the same for X have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you will find
something like

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Change the uk to cz and restart X and you should then be right. European
keyboards are usually 105 keys rather than 104.

Regards
Moss

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Dear core developers of GRML,
I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000

series driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related
to ATI RAdeon 9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute
Gnome. I installed Gnome successfully, Gnome even tried to
automatically start during boot, but error messages related to ATI
RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome could not be
used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as apt-get
or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is
ammazing tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue
data from corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools
are console based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Next question.
Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode,

and can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD

for text tools user and for system administrators, and that they
prepared this distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers,
and that using Gnome after installing GRML to A hard drive is
experimental approach. I think, that grmlx script is working without
errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But in A specific hardware
configurations, user will have to download driver for his specific
device, this is common for all operating systems.

Post by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Thank You for Your answers.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Janusz

If you boot to the console and launch X with

$ grml-x -module vesa

it should work on any graphics card whatsoever. Apparently a lot of people
have had trouble with the ATI 9000 as it sometimes requires proprietary
drivers. But these people are usually looking for 3D effects, for example.
I should think that this is not important to you. If it is then have a
look at

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/finally-got-3d-in-debian-lenny-with-a-radeon-9000-639869/?highlight=ati+radeon+lenny

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Oops! Thanks for the correction Mika. If it is not
maintained at all then I'd suggest that Twin may
be dubious to use in the long term. It will slowly
lose its relation to the rest of the operating
environment and therefore tend toward malfunction.
The longer it goes on the worse it is likely to
become.

Best Wishes
Moss

Post by Michael Prokop

Post by moss
Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with
root# aptitude install twin

No, as twin was removed from Debian.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446692
regards,
-mika-

[Mgr. Janusz Chmiel]

Dear core developers of GRML,

I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000 series
driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related to ATI RAdeon
9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute Gnome. I installed Gnome
successfully, Gnome even tried to automatically start during boot, but error
messages related to ATI RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome
could not be used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as
apt-get or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is ammazing
tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue data from
corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools are console
based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.

Next question.

Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode, and
can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?

I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD for
text tools user and for system administrators, and that they prepared this
distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers, and that using Gnome
after installing GRML to A hard drive is experimental approach. I think,
that grmlx script is working without errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But
in A specific hardware configurations, user will have to download driver for
his specific device, this is common for all operating systems.

Thank You for Your answers.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Oops! Thanks for the correction Mika. If it is not
maintained at all then I'd suggest that Twin may
be dubious to use in the long term. It will slowly
lose its relation to the rest of the operating
environment and therefore tend toward malfunction.
The longer it goes on the worse it is likely to
become.

Best Wishes
Moss

Post by Michael Prokop

Post by moss
Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with
root# aptitude install twin

No, as twin was removed from Debian.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446692
regards,
-mika-

[Mgr. Janusz Chmiel]

Dear core developers of GRML,

I would like to please You, if You could include ATI Radeon 9000 series
driver to GRML live CD, because GRMLx reported error related to ATI RAdeon
9000 graphics cart, so i was not able to execute Gnome. I installed Gnome
successfully, Gnome even tried to automatically start during boot, but error
messages related to ATI RADEON 9000 series graphics cart appeared, so Gnome
could not be used. I Am very sad, that there is probably no tool such as
apt-get or similar tool for downloading and automatically installing device
drivers in Debian. If there is this script, could somebody give me
instructions, how to install driver for this graphics cart? GRML is ammazing
tool, there is even possibility to use utilities for rescue data from
corrupted partitions, and because fortunately, those tools are console
based, Yasr, Brltty and Speakup can be used.

Next question.

Could i change GRML language after booting A live CD to Czech unicode, and
can i switch Espeak synthesizer with Speakup screen reader to Czech
language? Or core developers of Grml modified source code of Espeak and
removed code, which could enable users to switch Espeak to other than
English language?

I Am aware, that core developers of Grml specially prepared this CD for
text tools user and for system administrators, and that they prepared this
distro for Xwindow and other included Window managers, and that using Gnome
after installing GRML to A hard drive is experimental approach. I think,
that grmlx script is working without errors, grml2hd also worked fine. But
in A specific hardware configurations, user will have to download driver for
his specific device, this is common for all operating systems.

Thank You for Your answers.

[Doug Smith]

What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.
However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to

http://www.rfbd.org

or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.

What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the scripting
and java applet problems.



Thanks.



Doug Smith

[Myles Green]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:03:47 -0500

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox.
The text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web
browsing. However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to
http://www.rfbd.org
or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.
What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the
scripting and java applet problems.

Maybe a lightweight window manager like openbox would suit your
needs... there is only a desktop menu (by default) that is easily
edited using obmenu and openbox itself is easily configured using obconf
if you want to change basic behavior or themes. In fact if you don't
care for using the utilities, the default menu has a web browser and
terminal right at the top of the menu.

Hope that helps...

[Jason White]

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.

Surely you can just install Debian and then install whatever you want after
that, including Gnome, Orca, Firefox, etc.

GRML lets you install Debian onto a hard disk partition from the shell, if
that's how you would prefer to do it - no need for a Debian installer.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Doug (and Janusz)

links2 is maintained in Czechoslovakia and it does have support for java
though I know from experience that it does not always work. However, it
does allow me to negotiate my bank account successfully. Many banks use
java for verification and other things. You can launch links2 in text or
graphical modes without starting the X server by doing links2 -g for
graphical or simply links2 for textual.

http://links.twibright.com/index_cz.php
http://links.twibright.com/features.php

Regards
Moss

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.
However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to
http://www.rfbd.org
or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.
What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the scripting
and java applet problems.
Thanks.
Doug Smith

[Maurice McCarthy]

Doug

Forgot to add that links2 ships with grml.

If you do have to use firefox then you should install adblock with

# aptitude install mozilla-firefox-adblock

this will cut out a lot of the crud for you. It vastly improves my loading
speeds on the SourceForge http://sf.net for example by blanking out
adverts. There are other solutions such as bfilter but this adblock I find
easier. If you can also do without a flash player such as adobe flash or
the gnash (the gnu flash player) then so much the better. They are not
installed by default.

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Doug

Forgot to add that links2 ships with grml.

If you do have to use firefox then you should install adblock with

# aptitude install mozilla-firefox-adblock

this will cut out a lot of the crud for you. It vastly improves my loading
speeds on the SourceForge http://sf.net for example by blanking out
adverts. There are other solutions such as bfilter but this adblock I find
easier. If you can also do without a flash player such as adobe flash or
the gnash (the gnu flash player) then so much the better. They are not
installed by default.

Moss

[Maurice McCarthy]

Doug

Forgot to add that links2 ships with grml.

If you do have to use firefox then you should install adblock with

# aptitude install mozilla-firefox-adblock

this will cut out a lot of the crud for you. It vastly improves my loading
speeds on the SourceForge http://sf.net for example by blanking out
adverts. There are other solutions such as bfilter but this adblock I find
easier. If you can also do without a flash player such as adobe flash or
the gnash (the gnu flash player) then so much the better. They are not
installed by default.

Moss

[Myles Green]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:03:47 -0500

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox.
The text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web
browsing. However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to
http://www.rfbd.org
or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.
What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the
scripting and java applet problems.

Maybe a lightweight window manager like openbox would suit your
needs... there is only a desktop menu (by default) that is easily
edited using obmenu and openbox itself is easily configured using obconf
if you want to change basic behavior or themes. In fact if you don't
care for using the utilities, the default menu has a web browser and
terminal right at the top of the menu.

Hope that helps...

[Jason White]

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.

Surely you can just install Debian and then install whatever you want after
that, including Gnome, Orca, Firefox, etc.

GRML lets you install Debian onto a hard disk partition from the shell, if
that's how you would prefer to do it - no need for a Debian installer.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Doug (and Janusz)

links2 is maintained in Czechoslovakia and it does have support for java
though I know from experience that it does not always work. However, it
does allow me to negotiate my bank account successfully. Many banks use
java for verification and other things. You can launch links2 in text or
graphical modes without starting the X server by doing links2 -g for
graphical or simply links2 for textual.

http://links.twibright.com/index_cz.php
http://links.twibright.com/features.php

Regards
Moss

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.
However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to
http://www.rfbd.org
or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.
What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the scripting
and java applet problems.
Thanks.
Doug Smith

[Myles Green]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:03:47 -0500

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox.
The text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web
browsing. However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to
http://www.rfbd.org
or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.
What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the
scripting and java applet problems.

Maybe a lightweight window manager like openbox would suit your
needs... there is only a desktop menu (by default) that is easily
edited using obmenu and openbox itself is easily configured using obconf
if you want to change basic behavior or themes. In fact if you don't
care for using the utilities, the default menu has a web browser and
terminal right at the top of the menu.

Hope that helps...

[Jason White]

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.

Surely you can just install Debian and then install whatever you want after
that, including Gnome, Orca, Firefox, etc.

GRML lets you install Debian onto a hard disk partition from the shell, if
that's how you would prefer to do it - no need for a Debian installer.

[Maurice McCarthy]

Doug (and Janusz)

links2 is maintained in Czechoslovakia and it does have support for java
though I know from experience that it does not always work. However, it
does allow me to negotiate my bank account successfully. Many banks use
java for verification and other things. You can launch links2 in text or
graphical modes without starting the X server by doing links2 -g for
graphical or simply links2 for textual.

http://links.twibright.com/index_cz.php
http://links.twibright.com/features.php

Regards
Moss

Post by Doug Smith
What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.
However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to
http://www.rfbd.org
or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.
What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the scripting
and java applet problems.
Thanks.
Doug Smith

[Michael Prokop]

Post by moss
Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with
root# aptitude install twin

No, as twin was removed from Debian.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446692

regards,
-mika-
--
http://grml.org/ # Linux for texttool-users and sysadmins
http://wiki.grml.org/ # share your knowledge
http://grml.supersized.org/ # the grml development weblog
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[Doug Smith]

What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.
However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to

http://www.rfbd.org

or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.

What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the scripting
and java applet problems.



Thanks.



Doug Smith

[Michael Prokop]

Post by moss
Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with
root# aptitude install twin

No, as twin was removed from Debian.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446692

regards,
-mika-
--
http://grml.org/ # Linux for texttool-users and sysadmins
http://wiki.grml.org/ # share your knowledge
http://grml.supersized.org/ # the grml development weblog
#grml @ irc.freenode.org # meet us on irc
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[Doug Smith]

What I need to do is to use the graphical browsers such as firefox. The
text mode ones are good enough only for some limited web browsing.
However, if you go to any radio station site, or go to

http://www.rfbd.org

or go to any site that uses javascript or any kind of fancy new
eye-candy for its core functionality, you're in for trouble.

What I was trying to do is to get twin to work, then use the firefox
that comes with the grml 2008.11 version to see if I can get on line
that way. If so, I was only going to use twin so that I could get on
line with a sufficiently powerful browser to overcome all the scripting
and java applet problems.



Thanks.



Doug Smith

[Doug Smith]

To whom it may concern:
\
I have found something that I think shows some promise for use by all
the people who use speakup and do not wish to go to a graphical user
environment in order just to get on line.

The program is called twin. This stands for text mode windowing
environment. It can be found at http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/

There is a detailed tutorial as well as a sample configuration file
includ?d with the program. However, it makes little sense to me as I
have no experience configuring x displays.

What I am trying to do with this program? is to get it to work in the
following way:

First of all, interact with x programs as it says it will, but with
the result that it will:
bring the output of those programs back to a re?ular tty display
where speakup is active.

However, with all the attaching, detaching, running on x servers,
display numbers and the rest, I am totally lost.

If some person here can help me in configuring this program to work as
a text mode solution to a graphical problem, I will be most greatful.



Thank you in advance.



Doug Smith

[moss]

Doug

Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with

root# aptitude install twin

This will come with some form of default configuration for you.

But I'm confused. If you don't want or need a gui then why do you have
to launch one at all? Can you not stay in a login shell and use screen
for multiple windows? Or, if you use emacs, then you can have very
closely similar environments in any situation. That is emacs in the
login shell, on a linux gui and on Windows XP or Vista behave in a
closely related manner. Are the text browsers lynx, w3m, links or
edbrowse not sufficient for what you are doing. w3m in particular has
emacs integration.

Best Wishes
Moss


On 10/01/2009, Doug Smith wrote:
I have found something that I think shows some promise for use by all
the people who use speakup and do not wish to go to a graphical user
environment in order just to get on line.

The program is called twin. This stands for text mode windowing
environment. It can be found at http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/ etc.

[Doug Smith]

To whom it may concern:
\
I have found something that I think shows some promise for use by all
the people who use speakup and do not wish to go to a graphical user
environment in order just to get on line.

The program is called twin. This stands for text mode windowing
environment. It can be found at http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/

There is a detailed tutorial as well as a sample configuration file
includ?d with the program. However, it makes little sense to me as I
have no experience configuring x displays.

What I am trying to do with this program? is to get it to work in the
following way:

First of all, interact with x programs as it says it will, but with
the result that it will:
bring the output of those programs back to a re?ular tty display
where speakup is active.

However, with all the attaching, detaching, running on x servers,
display numbers and the rest, I am totally lost.

If some person here can help me in configuring this program to work as
a text mode solution to a graphical problem, I will be most greatful.



Thank you in advance.



Doug Smith

[moss]

Doug

Twin was shipped with grml 1.0 but is not in the latest grml-2008.11.
This means you can install it directly with

root# aptitude install twin

This will come with some form of default configuration for you.

But I'm confused. If you don't want or need a gui then why do you have
to launch one at all? Can you not stay in a login shell and use screen
for multiple windows? Or, if you use emacs, then you can have very
closely similar environments in any situation. That is emacs in the
login shell, on a linux gui and on Windows XP or Vista behave in a
closely related manner. Are the text browsers lynx, w3m, links or
edbrowse not sufficient for what you are doing. w3m in particular has
emacs integration.

Best Wishes
Moss


On 10/01/2009, Doug Smith wrote:
I have found something that I think shows some promise for use by all
the people who use speakup and do not wish to go to a graphical user
environment in order just to get on line.

The program is called twin. This stands for text mode windowing
environment. It can be found at http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/ etc.