[Grml] Is grml still alive

[Klaus Fuerstberger]

Hello,

as I could not post a blog comment at
http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to
leave a comment to this article here.

Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new
releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated
piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins.
Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based
distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will
get help there if there are any questions.

Klaus
_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - ***@ml.grml.org
http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml o

[Klaus Fuerstberger]

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger
as I could not post a blog comment at
http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want to
leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing new
releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this bloated
piece of software for a text based distribution for system admins.
Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based
distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will
get help there if there are any questions.

JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that
is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even
more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default
configuration.

You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think Grml
was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at startup I
need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of course it is your
decision.

If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're
invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up
file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being
the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to
be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).

Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will not
have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is also
listed in
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there will
be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd free.

Regards
Klaus
_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - ***@ml.grml.org
http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml on irc.freenode.org
grml-devel-blog: http://blog.grml

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger
as I could not post a blog comment at
http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want
to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing
new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this
bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system
admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free,
debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am
sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.

JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that
is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even
more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default
configuration.

You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think
Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at
startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of
course it is your decision.

If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're
invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up
file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being
the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to
be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).

Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will
not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is
also listed in
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there
will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd
free.

..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568
Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web

..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g.
Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.
_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - ***@ml.grml.org
http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml on irc.freenode.org
grml-devel-blog:

[Alexander Wirt]

Post by Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger
as I could not post a blog comment at
http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want
to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing
new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this
bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system
admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free,
debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am
sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.

JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that
is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even
more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default
configuration.

You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think
Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at
startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of
course it is your decision.

If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're
invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up
file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being
the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to
be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).

Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will
not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is
also listed in
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there
will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd
free.

..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568
Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g.
Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
best case, worst case, and just in case.

Please don't Cc our mailinglist again.

Alex

_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - ***@ml.grml.org
http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml on irc.freeno

[Alexander Wirt]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message

Post by Alexander Wirt

Post by Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger

Post by Klaus Fuerstberger
as I could not post a blog comment at
http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I
want to leave a comment to this article here.
Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on
providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no
need for this bloated piece of software for a text based
distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on
devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the
future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help
there if there are any questions.

JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because
that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering
Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent
from our default configuration.

You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think
Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at
startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of
course it is your decision.

If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're
invited to work on that, you might be also interested in
picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer
(file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no
maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and
me will orphan it).

Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I
will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But
as grml is also listed in
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there
will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this
systemd free.

..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568
Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than
e.g. Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.

Please don't Cc our mailinglist again.

..from which mailing list am I now being banished? ;o)
I am aware I am not welcome on Debian mailing lists due to my knowledge
of banana republic politics and how they brought systemd upon Debian,
and therefore didn't cc any Debian mailing lists. ;o)

You are also not welcome on grml mailinglists.

Alex
_______________________________________________
Grml mailing list - ***@ml.grml.org
http://ml.grml.org/mailman/listinfo/grml
join #grml on irc.freenode.org
grml-devel-blog: http: