[Grml] Network booting, Terminal Server or PXE

Discussion:

T o n g

2009-07-24 15:48:48 UTC

Hi Mika,

Just out of curiosity, how do you compare Terminal Server and PXE?

I knew the term "Terminal Server" when I knew grml, and only within the
grml community. The outside world seems to be interested in PXE instead.
So I like to know the reason behind why grml chose Terminal Server over
PXE.

Here are the homeworks I've done:

The only "Terminal Server" I found on the web seems to related with
KNOPPIX
http://knoppix.manty.net/
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/KNOPPIX_Terminal_Server

But the original author of the wiki document, Rjent, has moved his
efforts to working on something else.

PXE is backed by Intel and is part of Intels(tm) Wired for Management
(WfM)
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/PXE_FAQ

The Linux Magazine has written a good article about 'Network Booting'
http://www.linux-mag.com/id/1179

Tim Kientzle
Tuesday, October 15th, 2002

in which Tim recommended PXE.

Thanks

PS. For those PC that has Network booting built-in capability in ROM, are
they booting PXE or Terminal Server or something else?

PPS. The reason that I'm asking, its very easy to test PXE booting in
KVM...

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Michael Prokop

2009-07-24 15:56:46 UTC

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Post by T o n g
Just out of curiosity, how do you compare Terminal Server and PXE?
I knew the term "Terminal Server" when I knew grml, and only within the
grml community. The outside world seems to be interested in PXE instead.
So I like to know the reason behind why grml chose Terminal Server over
PXE.
The only "Terminal Server" I found on the web seems to related with
KNOPPIX
http://knoppix.manty.net/
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/KNOPPIX_Terminal_Server

[...]

That's exactly where it derives from.
We decided to use the same Knoppix slang/wording so users can move
from Knoppix to grml as simple/easy/fast as possible.

I'm aware that it's not 100% accurate though I don't see any way how
to rename it without confusing our users nowadays. ;)

regards,
-mika-
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Michael Gebetsroither

2009-07-24 17:44:02 UTC

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T o n g wrote:
Hi Tong,

Post by T o n g
Just out of curiosity, how do you compare Terminal Server and PXE?

Terminal Server is the project to boot GRML over network.
PXE is the used technology to get the kernel/initrd running on the other
host (PXE == pre boot execution environment).

Post by T o n g
I knew the term "Terminal Server" when I knew grml, and only within the
grml community. The outside world seems to be interested in PXE instead.
So I like to know the reason behind why grml chose Terminal Server over
PXE.

Every terminalserver projekt out there uses PXE as the underlying
technology to boot over the network.

Post by T o n g
The only "Terminal Server" I found on the web seems to related with
KNOPPIX
http://knoppix.manty.net/
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/KNOPPIX_Terminal_Server
But the original author of the wiki document, Rjent, has moved his
efforts to working on something else.
PXE is backed by Intel and is part of Intels(tm) Wired for Management
(WfM)
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/PXE_FAQ
The Linux Magazine has written a good article about 'Network Booting'
http://www.linux-mag.com/id/1179
Tim Kientzle
Tuesday, October 15th, 2002
in which Tim recommended PXE.
Thanks
PS. For those PC that has Network booting built-in capability in ROM, are
they booting PXE or Terminal Server or something else?
PPS. The reason that I'm asking, its very easy to test PXE booting in
KVM...

The most prominent Terminalserver projekt with linux is LTSP (linux
terminalserver project, http://www.ltsp.org/)

And thats where all similar projects got there name from, afaik.

michael

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T o n g

2009-07-24 15:48:48 UTC

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Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

Michael Prokop

2009-07-24 15:56:46 UTC

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[...]

That's exactly where it derives from.
We decided to use the same Knoppix slang/wording so users can move
from Knoppix to grml as simple/easy/fast as possible.

I'm aware that it's not 100% accurate though I don't see any way how
to rename it without confusing our users nowadays. ;)

regards,
-mika-
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Michael Gebetsroither

2009-07-24 17:44:02 UTC

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T o n g wrote:
Hi Tong,

Post by T o n g
Just out of curiosity, how do you compare Terminal Server and PXE?

Terminal Server is the project to boot GRML over network.
PXE is the used technology to get the kernel/initrd running on the other
host (PXE == pre boot execution environment).

Every terminalserver projekt out there uses PXE as the underlying
technology to boot over the network.

The most prominent Terminalserver projekt with linux is LTSP (linux
terminalserver project, http://www.ltsp.org/)

And thats where all similar projects got there name from, afaik.

michael

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T o n g

2009-07-24 15:48:48 UTC

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Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

Michael Prokop

2009-07-24 15:56:46 UTC

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[...]

That's exactly where it derives from.
We decided to use the same Knoppix slang/wording so users can move
from Knoppix to grml as simple/easy/fast as possible.

I'm aware that it's not 100% accurate though I don't see any way how
to rename it without confusing our users nowadays. ;)

regards,
-mika-
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Michael Gebetsroither

2009-07-24 17:44:02 UTC

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T o n g wrote:
Hi Tong,

Post by T o n g
Just out of curiosity, how do you compare Terminal Server and PXE?

Terminal Server is the project to boot GRML over network.
PXE is the used technology to get the kernel/initrd running on the other
host (PXE == pre boot execution environment).

Every terminalserver projekt out there uses PXE as the underlying
technology to boot over the network.

The most prominent Terminalserver projekt with linux is LTSP (linux
terminalserver project, http://www.ltsp.org/)

And thats where all similar projects got there name from, afaik.

michael

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